Should Mark Fox Be Fired After 2013?

Yesterday’s loss to Vanderbilt put Georgia’s overall record to 12-14 (3-9).All of the momentum that the Hoop Dawgs had after last season’s campaign has vanished, and the Dawgs are left in serious rebuilding mode, especially next season that Dustin Ware and Gerald Robinson will be moving on. 

I told Kensington Dawg before the season that it would be a rough campaign in 2011-2012 if the Dawgs couldn’t hit the 3 point shot.   A team that has no legitimate big man down low has to be able and hit the 3 to survive.  Guess what?  The Dawgs haven’t hit the 3.

Kensington, of course, thinks that Mark Fox is not a good coach and should be fired if the Dawgs don’t make the Tournament next season.  And since he thinks that the Dawgs are going to be worst next season, he wants to know why we should delay the inevitable and keep a lame duck around? 

I think that Fox is a good coach and should given more time to get some recruits in here.   He has got to recruit the Atlanta area better.  But do we want to, after Year 3 or Year 4, throw him out and start over from scratch?  Fox is a good coach, he should be given a chance to rebuild this program. 

So what say you?  I told Kensington he was being crazy and that most fans were overall pleased with Fox and not ready to see him go.  I can’t speak for other fans, so I want to ask you to leave your opinion in the comment section. 

Corbindawg

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27 Responses to “Should Mark Fox Be Fired After 2013?”


  1. 1 Lowdawg February 20, 2012 at 9:19 am

    He has had plenty of time to recruit his players….particularly in todays college bball world where freshmen can come in and have an immediate impact. The biggest issue is that none of the best bball players in the state want to play for him.

  2. 2 BourbonDawg February 20, 2012 at 10:13 am

    The answer is no, unless we can immediately bring in someone who can sign top tier talent from Atlanta area and beyond. Fox is a good coach. But to sign the top kids you have to have a resume of putting kids in the NBA successfully. Thompkins and Leslie are a start, but are both works in progress. A good coach with top talent can do great things. Unfortunately we only have one of those components right now.

  3. 3 MT February 20, 2012 at 10:33 am

    I think two more seasons is as long of a leash as he deserves. We do have a bit of a mismatch in terms of talent, with our top 5 talented not matching up to the traditional 5 on the floor positions (Gerald & Dustin are essentially 2 PGs, and Thornton is more of a PF than the C role he plays).

    Our program now has the facilities to sell to student-athletes, along w/ proximity to ATL, attractive co-eds, and a night life in dt Athens that sells itself. If a coach can’t recruit in that environment, let’s keep searching for someone who can.

    • 4 Corbindawg February 20, 2012 at 10:59 am

      I think after 2014 if there are no signs for a better future, then a tough decision needs to be made. I think any conjecture before now and February 2014 is premature.

      • 5 Mr. Sanchez February 21, 2012 at 12:52 pm

        Depends corbin. If next year is as bad as this year’s been (and not just Wins and Losses, but how we’ve played on the floor, the long scoring droughts, the mind numbing mistakes, etc) and we whiff again recruiting with a deep and talented 2013 class, conjecture will be warranted. Not now, considering the massive problems facing him on arrival. But the reports of us on recruiting trails, the problems on the floor this year as well as our recruiting issues, the chinks in the armor are starting to show. And it’s not like everything was perfect prior, as we had too much talent last year to squeak by as we did. We were a Sweet 16 team last year talent wise. I’m a big fan of Fox, but things aren’t perfect, and some issues need to be addressed soon for him to realize the massive potential of this program. If we go 12 months, and the issues are stagnating and unaddressed, conjecture will be warranted.

      • 6 Corbindawg February 21, 2012 at 5:57 pm

        Yeah, I said the same thing about the 2011 football season. Wins/losses are not as important as taking the right steps. Can the guys make simple layups? Perhaps I was wrong to say conjecture won’t be warranted, but he shouldn’t be let go, in my opinion, until 2014 at the earliest.

        There is a ton of potential at Georgia, but I do think that it is hard to build a winning program here. Atlanta is a talent rich area, but with more elite programs like Florida, Kentucky, the North Carolina schools all around, I think it is tough. Plus, the fan support just isn’t here. Fans at UGA by and large care about Football, recruiting, and spring football. . Though the results don’t particularly show it, I like Fox better than Felton. He is a good coach, and you can just “know it when you see it.” I think Fox should be given adequate time in Athens before the torches and pitchforks come out. He shouldn’t be immune to criticism, and there is plenty of room for that, especially seeing how the team grossly under acheived last year.

      • 7 Mr. Sanchez February 21, 2012 at 7:04 pm

        I’d agree, but would in regards to the liking him better than Felton comment, is that really the bar we want coaches to exceed? Just be better than Dennis Felton? Our standards should be a lot higher than that. I agree on liking him better, and agree with everything else, simply suggesting (and I know you’d agree), that better than Felton was a given considering his issues,

  4. 8 Skip smith February 20, 2012 at 11:28 am

    Mike Krzyzewski’s first three years at Duke yeilded 38 wins and 47 losses. He gives credit for his survival and subsequent success to Duke’s AD and administration for recognizing his abilities and the program he was building. I’ll leave Coach Fox’s evaluation up to Greg McGarity and suggest for the good of the program any other fan less informed than Mr. McGarity do the same.

  5. 12 EyeoftheLion February 20, 2012 at 11:52 am

    Depends.

    If UGA continues to define success as, wins over unranked teams with poor winning records, then they should keep Fox & Richt.

    If UGA ever decides they want to win CHAMPIONSHIPS, and start defining success by wins against ranked teams, then yes, both Fox and Richt should be fired.

    But mediocrity will reign.

  6. 15 dave February 20, 2012 at 1:13 pm

    The unrealistic expectations some UGA fans have are unbelievable. We’ve only made the NCAA tournament NINE times in our program’s history. And Fox had one of those in his 2nd year! This is his first bad season after two pretty good ones (first year is considered good due to the fact that he surpassed expectations). We’re not going to be able to hire Tom Izzo. Good grief, give the guy a chance.

  7. 16 suwaneedawg February 20, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    I can not believe we are having this discussion. The guy loses his two best players to the NBA. His best player is a true freshman. No big man what so ever to play the middle and people want to fire him by 2013? We need to give him at least 3 years to build this program before we start talking about replacing him. Come on Dawg fans, be real!

    • 17 Rob February 20, 2012 at 2:57 pm

      I am the most optimistic fan out there but u pointed out exactly what is the problem. He had no one to replace these players that everyone knew had a chance of leaving. As a coach you have to prepare for the worst. BUT THE WORST PART is that even with those players he found a way to lose games with double digit leads late in the 4th. That comes down to coaching period. I can’t think of two times in particular that he forgot to tell the team to foul on last possession with 3 point lead and we lost the game…he was praised for the one run but we now see that it was a fluke and that unless with this offseason comes a athletic big man and a top 10 recruiting class he needs to be gone

  8. 18 I'veseenworseinGA February 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm

    It isn’t as simple as just recruiting top tier talent. Fox had to completely change a culture. That isn’t something that a person cant do in three years. I think that he has shown that he can get good recruits to seriously consider UGA and in an area that is dominated by the ACC heavyweights that is a fantastic place to start. Fox is a passionate coach and if you have ever been to or watched a game it is evident that he does not tolerate mediocrity. I think that he has the ability to develop talent and will do so with the very young team that we have this year. I definitely say give him a few more years to truly become establish. Keeping a coach around for three years and then throwing them out when there isn’t any instant gratification is stupid and will get us nowhere quick.

  9. 19 Greg February 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Fox has to do something about his staff. Coming from across the country, he needed someone who had some pull in Georgia high schools and on the AAU circuit. At the very least, the staff needs to be shaken up. The talent on our roster is not appreciably better than ANY other SEC team and Mizzou and TAMU join the party next year…meaning 3 more likely losses on the schedule.

    We have one of the very worst front courts in the country…those guys literally can’t make a layup. No excuse for that three years into a coaches tenure, but starting over with another coach just puts us further behind. We’re screwed either way at this point.

  10. 20 Rob February 20, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    I have been saying it since the beginning of last year that Fox needs to go! Think back to all the double digit 4th quarter leads that he has blown. If richt would have blown those same huge leads in critical games he would have been ran out of town a long time ago. Fox had one good stretch but has proved to my recruit areas where he needs unlike richt who constantly finds a way to bring in top talent at positions needed! No reason UGA doesn’t have an athletic big man to hold down the low post. last time I check we were still a SEC sports powerhouse with the nations best night life, so recruiting these players shouldnt be a problem especially for a team that HAD(note the past tense) momentum like the hoop dawgs did

  11. 22 VagaB February 20, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    Fox is 1-4 vs. ranked teams, 4-15 over career so far vs. ranked teams.

  12. 23 1hoonose February 20, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    Mark Fox is a good coach and one day he might be a very good to great coach.

    Historically UGA is the absolute worst basketball program in the SEC (.519 overall winning percentage – only Texas A&M .518 and Ole Miss .484 are lower and I believe Ole Miss has a higher SEC winning percentage than we do). Everyone’s realistic expectation should be that this is a 10 year row to hoe to get this program to where it is in the TOP three of the SEC year in and year out.

    That doesn’t mean that we can’t win over the next 10 years with Mark Fox – just that we might lose as much as we win with more losing seasons coming on the front end and more winning coming on the back end.

    A parallel is comparing our basketball program to South Carolina’s football program. This is the same exact process that South Carolina is going through. 10 years for Steve to make that program into a consistent winner and he is getting it done.

    10 years for Mark Fox to forge relationships and convince high school and AAU programs that UGA is both serious about basketball and is a place that will be a conduit to the NBA.

    10 years to prove to recruits that UGA is as much a basketball school as a football school.

    What we need is what John Wooden did at UCLA and what Bobby Bowden did at FSU. That is what we have in Mark Fox. A good coach that is willing to make a career at UGA while he transitions this program to a greater strata.

    Wax all you want. Mark Fox is going to be in Athens for the next 7 years.

  13. 24 Tim February 20, 2012 at 9:15 pm

    Mark Fox is a fine coach and Georgia is lucky to have him! What UGA needs is better fan support and more funds allocated towards the program. Kids don’t want to play for a program that the school cares so little about, in regards to fan support and donations.

    Before you cut that check to the football program every year, think about how far that same amount would go if donated to the Hoop Dawgs!

    Just sayin…

  14. 25 OldDawg55 February 20, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    I had the advantage of seeing very good basketball teams at UTAH as a grad student, and at Indiana Univ, as an assistant professor in the 70′s. One thing was apparent at both schools–they had a savvy and loyal fan base. Oh, you could yell at Bob K. during bad games but you never doubted his ability to teach the game. Recruits are fickle these days and seeing the above criticism of the program and coach will do nothing to aid recriting. Good fans can inspire a team..bad ones can help bring it down. Just like CMF, you have a responsibility..fulfill it!

    • 26 SSB Charley February 23, 2012 at 6:04 pm

      Can I just say that being at IU in the seventies would be a pretty awesome bit of basketball to watch? Whoa. Lots of talent, lots of wins.


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